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Osgood Peabody
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posted July 13, 2002 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Osgood Peabody   Click Here to Email Osgood Peabody        Reply w/Quote
Since the original thread has faded away, from its ashes comes a new and improved pitch for Superman Archives that pick up around 1958.

Here's the promo for the 1st volume:

Man of Steel Archives Vol. 1
Written by Jerry Coleman, Otto Binder, Bill Finger, Robert Bernstein, and Alvin Schwartz. Art by Wayne Boring, Al Plastino, Stan Kaye, Curt Swan, George Klein, and Ray Burnley.

Reprinting the Superman stories from Action Comics 241-256

In 1958, Mort Weisinger assumed full editorial control of Action Comics and began initiating a series of innovations that would redefine the Man of Steel for a new generation. Now, by popular demand, DC brings you the "Silver Age" adventures of Superman, starting with the classic "Super-Key to Fort Superman", the first appearance of the Fortress of Solitude! Also included in this collection: Superman's first clash with Brainiac, the first episodes spotlighting the fabled bottled city of Kandor, the origin of Metallo, battles with arch-enemy Lex Luthor and the first time Superman encountered Bizarro!


This will fast-forward these stories by at least 20 years at the going rate of Superman Archive production, much to the delight of those of us who yearn for this era of the Man of Steel.

And just for kicks, let's take it a step further. After all, there are 8 Archives currently in print for the Siegel & Shuster aficionados, 3 Action and 5 Superman. For those who would like equal time for the Weisinger era, this is what it would buy you:

Action Comics vol. 1 - (issues 241-256)
- Contents described above

Action Comics vol. 2 - (issues 257-272)
- 1st Bizarro World story, in which Superman is transformed into a Bizarro himself
- Superman vs. Hercules!
- Aquaman masquerades as "Mental Man"
- "The Revenge of Luthor"

Action Comics vol. 3 - (issues 273-288)
- 2 Brainiac appearances, the second guest-starring Congorilla!
- 1st appearance of Luthor's Lair
- 1st appearance of the Superman Revenge Squad

Superman vol. 1 - (issues 127-134)
- 1st Titano
- 1st Red Kryptonite Superman story
- 1st Lori Lemaris appearance
- Superman and Supergirl vs. Kull-Ex, an early Kandor villain

Superman vol. 2 - (issues 135-142)
- 3 more Lori Lemaris stories, in which she alternately entices and torments the Man of Steel!
- Superman and Supergirl vs. Bizarro and a Bizarro-Supergirl
- "Superman's Return to Krypton"
- "Superman Meets Al Capone"

Superman vol. 3 - (issues 143-150)
- "Bizarro meets Frankenstein"
- "Night of March 31st"
- "The Story of Superman's Life" (re-telling of the origin tale)
- "The Death of Superman"

Superman vol. 4 - (issues 151-158)
- "The Last Days of Superman"
- 1st Gold Kryptonite story
- 1st Nightwing & Flamebird

Superman vol. 5 - (issues 159-166)
- "The Last Days of Ma and Pa Kent"
- Superman-Red and Superman-Blue
- 1st Lexor story, "The Showdown between Superman and Luthor"
- "The Sweetheart Superman Forgot"

At that point, we'd have nearly all of the seminal Weisinger Superman tales under hardcover - I could live with that!

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JayFlip
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posted July 13, 2002 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JayFlip        Reply w/Quote
No question, this series would go to the top of my list and I would buy every single one of them. This is my favorite era of Superman stories (next to the Sand-Superman saga).

Keep the dream alive!

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Joe Pacheco
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posted July 13, 2002 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Pacheco   Click Here to Email Joe Pacheco        Reply w/Quote
I have yet to buy a Superman Archive, but I'd buy all of those.

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Pig Iron
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posted July 14, 2002 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pig Iron   Click Here to Email Pig Iron        Reply w/Quote
The seminal period of Superman in my mind, but then again what do I know. Heheheh.

I would rather have Silver and bronze age Superman, Bronze age Batman.
The Golden age stuff is best suited to Shazam, Plas, the traditional JSA heroes..in my mind.

Wonder Woman is one of the only characters that I feel Golden and Silver ages are needed in running order..

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chlorophyll kid
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posted July 14, 2002 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for chlorophyll kid        Reply w/Quote
Yes! It is very strange that they have not archived the Silver Age Superman. I have all the Legion Archives and this proposal would be logical and surely a huge seller. What about Silver Age Superboy, too?

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posted July 14, 2002 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ?        Reply w/Quote
How bizarre is it that DC hasn't already archived their most popular character's most successful era?

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stoter1
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posted July 14, 2002 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stoter1        Reply w/Quote
These are the stories I grew up with. This is the Supes I see when the lights are low and I've had a few too many...

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Triplicate Boy
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posted July 14, 2002 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Triplicate Boy        Reply w/Quote
This is a no-brainer. Who wants to see Superman fighting gangsters and the Prankster? I want to see Rainbow Kryptonite, dammit!

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Aldous
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posted July 15, 2002 01:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aldous        Reply w/Quote
Osgood, I have no idea what the likelihood is of seeing a Silver Age Superman Archive in the near future, but it's got my vote.

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James Friel
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posted July 15, 2002 04:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
Definitely has mine, too.
I think we'll see it relatively soon. It's just too attractive a project, and one that I predict will outsell the GA Superman books by a modest but significant margin.

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stoter1
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posted July 15, 2002 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stoter1        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by James Friel:
Definitely has mine, too.
I think we'll see it relatively soon. It's just too attractive a project, and one that I predict will outsell the GA Superman books by a modest but significant margin.

If promoted properly, i think the disparity in slaes will be more than modest.

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Scippio
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posted July 15, 2002 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scippio   Click Here to Email Scippio        Reply w/Quote
I would definately buy these. I'd also buy Silver Age Batman volumes.

If they don't skip ahead, in what volumes would we start seeing silver age Bats and Sups stories? (I know at least one of you must have figured this out)

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Osgood Peabody
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posted July 15, 2002 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Osgood Peabody   Click Here to Email Osgood Peabody        Reply w/Quote
I had mapped this out at one point, and IIRC the first SA Action volume would be 16 and the first SA Superman volume would be 23.

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Marty Raap
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posted July 15, 2002 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marty Raap        Reply w/Quote
Am I the only one who doesn't want to see a SA Superman (or Batman) volume? I love those stories but I'm willing to wait for them, in service of the greater good of one day having a complete run of Superman (up through Crisis) Archived, with no omissions. My biggest worry, frankly, is that the SA Superman would outsell the GA Superman so significantly that the GA stuff would be pushed to the back-burner and dwindle off. I think it's smart of DC to hold some popular stories in abeyance to ensure the long-term health of the Archives. I don't want sales to dry up in 5 years because everything with a big sales profile has been released. The Archives may need the bump it'll get from SA Superman 10 years from now when most of the remaining big name #1 volumes have been released.

The biggest argument for a SA Superman Archive, it seems to me, is the simple fact that it'll take so long to get there. But I'd like to remedy that by seeing DC put out the GA stuff faster. The more separate titles DC starts, the more series join the line to wait for their second and successive volumes, and it takes longer for ANY of these titles to run to completion. I understand the impatience for the SA stuff, but how about supporting the Superman line by buying the later GA volumes, to give DC an incentive to speed up these long-running titles like Superman?

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ScarletSpider
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posted July 15, 2002 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScarletSpider        Reply w/Quote
I'D love a SA superman and Batman line.
If the Green Lantern can have a GA and SA archive why not Superman?
At this pace it would take over 20 years before a SA Superman archive is pubblished and considering the average age of this group, half of us might not be around to see it happen. (Sorry it is not meant as an offence)
Most archives buyers do not buy every archive, DC could easily increase the output to twice a month without breaking
anyone bank, and the great thing about archive is.... they are always available for re-order.
I have read on the DC news that DC people read this board, well guys how about it?
Are we going to deliver this puppy or not?

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Marty Raap
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posted July 15, 2002 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marty Raap        Reply w/Quote
SA Green Lantern and GA Green Lantern are completely different characters, with a publishing break in between them. Superman, Batman, et al. are the same characters published continuously and therefore are differently situated. I'd like to see the Archives reprint a character's adventures chronologically and completely, but I've got no problem with different Archives for GA GL and SA GL -- or Atom, or Hawkman, etc. -- because the GA and SA versions of these characters are so patently different. I understand there are differences between SA and GA Superman, too, but it's still the same character with one long, continuous history.

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Osgood Peabody
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posted July 15, 2002 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Osgood Peabody   Click Here to Email Osgood Peabody        Reply w/Quote
If we were talking about a few years wait, maybe, but here's the problem:

Pre-Weisinger volumes not archived:
12 Action
17 Superman
4 or 5 Superman in World's Finest (inevitable, since they're doing Batman in WF)

And since they seem to view Superboy as a valid "Superman" product (hence no other archive this year) there's oodles of Superboy material to be archived as well.

Even if they bump up overall production, as Dstepp has hinted, it's doubtful that they will allot additional slots to the GA Superman books, which are not doing that great saleswise.

At the current rate of one GA volume per year, I could see my great-grandchildren before they get up to 1958!

So, IMO it's a bit much to ask SA Superman fans to take it on faith DC will get around to it eventually.

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India Ink
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posted July 15, 2002 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink        Reply w/Quote
Marty it seems like you expect DC to stick to a logical progression for the academic purpose of adhering to chronology, and to the exclusion of any pragmatic considerations for the desires of the market.

The fact is a lot of us want to buy Superman stories from a specific period in time. It's all very nice to think that eventually in thirty years, there will be volumes reprinting the first thirty years of Superman in their entirety (although I question whether all these volumes will still be in print by that time), but how does that serve the needs of the people who actually buy these books?

And DC has never been utterly faithful to the idea of absolute chronology. They printed volumes of the Superman title first. Then they went back in time to print volumes of Action. And they still haven't printed the solo World's Finest stories.

I'm crossing my fingers that Osgood's plan will be followed soon. Such a publishing schedule would definitely help me in narrowing my collecting search to just those comics that came after 1964. I hope to have a full run of Superman and Action from 1964 through 1984 within a year or two.

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted July 15, 2002 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
Ink's right about the lack of fidelity to the schedule. Seems like a Silver Age series makes as much sense as three Golden Age series.

So next question: Assuming an Archive of Superman tales from c1958 forward, should they follow the current Golden Age format (each magazine gets its own series), or follow what they've done everywhere else: all stories, from all sources, in a single line.

I can see valid arguments in both directions. I'm going go with the consolidated approach, since it'll be easier to scoop up any odd-ball apearances that are absolutely required.

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India Ink
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posted July 15, 2002 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink        Reply w/Quote
I used to believe in the consolidated approach--and would be happy with this solution (I'd be happy with any solution that ended up reprinting the Weisinger Superman as soon as possible).

But Osgood made good arguments for the separate titles solution, and I came around to recognizing the logic in this. I'll leave to him to explain those reasons.

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JayFlip
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posted July 15, 2002 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JayFlip        Reply w/Quote
I have to agree, though I too was against the idea at first, that SA Superman/Batman volumes make sense for a number of reasons:

#1 volumes sell better than continuations, thus one could argue SA Supes v.1 would be more commerical than Action v. 16.

At the rate they're going, Action v. 16 will come out in something like 26 years.

There's no guarantee they'll still be printing archives at that point, or reprinting anything at all.

It's easier and cheaper to reprint Silver Age rather than Golden Age material.

Finally, given DStepp's clues on a separate thread about a "controversial" archive in early 2003, is it possible a SA Superman archive is in the offing?

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BruceWayneMan
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posted July 15, 2002 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BruceWayneMan        Reply w/Quote
I have no reason not to want this save for the fact that the golden age volumes might suffer as Marty Raap points out. The past two Superman volumes reprinted some of the best Superman stories I've ever read: The Archer, Man or Superman, Case of the Funny Book Crimes, Superman - Matinee Idol, Clark Kent is Superman. Instead of speeding up the release of the golden age volumes (which doesn't seem plausible if they're not selling very well) how about increasing the output of the various Superman collections such as Superman in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and Superman Annual replica editions?

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ScarletSpider
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posted July 15, 2002 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScarletSpider        Reply w/Quote
I don't see how a SA archive would impact on the GA counterpart sales.
GA is harder to digest for many, it is a love or hate it type of thing.
Many good points have been made,
Why should we wait 20 years?
Will the archive program be here in 20 years? This program rest on the shoulder of older fans that in 20 years might be to old to care.
The SA Superman and Batman archives would be good money makers for DC,
this if anything will help the archive program to prosper.
Another good point as been made with the Superboy archive, if Superboy takes off like Supergirl did will DC keep on skipping the Superman archive, in favor of these titles?
Lets face if we are not seeing much of any kind of Superman archives now,
shouldn't Superman at least be annual?
The idea of chronological progression in this case seems to be very unrealistic considering the publication pace.
Lets have it now DC!!!
SA SUPERMAN

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James Friel
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posted July 15, 2002 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
At the age of 56, I'm not enthusiastic about waiting more than 15 years to get the volumes I'm looking forward to.

Besides, I think we'd be making a possibly unwarranted assumption if we take it as given that, first, the market for old comics reprints will hold up long enough for all this to happen steadily and at a leisurely pace; and second, that DC's policies won't change and the archives project either be discontinued or radically changed.

So I'm in favor of skimming the cream now.

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posted July 15, 2002 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
How would you Archive the Superman team-ups from World's Finest that appeared in the early 70s? Would you place those in the current "World's Finest Archives"? Would you tack them onto the expected "Superman in WFC Archives"? Would you squeeze them into a line that would also include DC Comics Presents? Or would you produce a separate "Superman: The World's Finest Team-Ups" series? The hunger for Volume Ones would point to this last possibility. This is also something they could do soon, as it scratches that Silver itch to a small degree, looks like a "Done in One" (probably two, actually) sort of deal, and contains material that would be easy to restore. The draw backs are that the material isn't well known and didn't sell well enough back in the day to keep going. It is also Schwartz, not Weisinger, so for some of you, it may not scratch that Silver itch at all.

Maybe they should go with this to try out a Superman series that is "out of sequence". Like "World's Finest Archives" and "Justice League Archives" aren't already.

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